There are great things about dating younger women, and very bad things. There are great things about dating older women, and very bad things. Today I will examine both in detail. First, as always, we need to get our definitions straight. Things that used to be enjoyable to her, like sex on the first or second date, or very casual sexual relationships, are now suddenly horrible and largely unacceptable.
I'd find a nice divorced guy, maybe with kids; I'd be the world's best stepmom.
You know how this ends. I went to the dinner. We fell in love, got married and now have a baby girl. And sure, five years younger sounds relatively minor, but to many women that gap would be unacceptable. That's a shame, because I think it's a major benefit. Not just because of the fun you have teasing a younger guy "Before you were born, Morrissey was in a band called The Smiths"but because younger guys have been presoftened by a society that has evolved a lot in the past 30 years.
Women's rights, gay rights-the younger a guy is, the more evolved he is. You want to work? Want him to do the laundry? No problem. My husband washes bottles and does nighttime feedings without acting like he's a hero. That's not just a younger guy you're dating; it's utopian values, in human form. My ex was so intelligent, very very successful in her career.
Able to talk about anything really and very interesting to talk to if you got her on the right conversation. But really, do you want to talk much about having kids, buying a house, dealing with a schools etc like they do?
They lack a bit of worldly experience which can be frustrating because of simple understanding that most people would have about some things but were so much more interesting than older chicks just because their brains are incredible. Even their ability to easily understand this stuff without getting all SP on it.
Young or old has zero influence in this space to me. Age is irrelevant. Nice post Blackdragon. Fast-forward twenty years and these same women often move up in the workplace and are earning quite a bit.
They expect men not only to be richer, but to foot their bills - which are sometimes way, way out of control. This, I think, is why a lot of men turn to younger women. And I think it plays into your comment about seeing Britney Spears being interviewed early on. The cynicism of the latter is a turn-off, no matter how hot the older woman.
I get routinely turned on by hot women in their 50s, btw. YUP we do not! But I have horrible sleeping habits. Barely exercise. I could probably benefit from eating more of the good stuff and hitting the weights. Thicker and toned! On my last sarge of tinder, I ran into four provider hunters, all below the age of 23madness! Would be interesting to see if anyone else has noticed this, maybe the UK culture plays into this as well?
Many VYW have no hips at all, even the hot ones. Age is indeed a factor. That was purposeful. Do you really give a shit how much money she makes?
You can if you want. I agree with much of what you said, but not all. For me, that is huge. The bodies, I have to disagree with you there. While I have dated older women with hot bodies, including a former Olympian, over, 40 with a crazy hot body, I have to give the advantage to younger women.
On conversation though, I very much disagree. Marty makes excellent points. Endless, boring, painful. The lives of older women tend to be consumed by their children and their ex. For great conversation, I strongly prefer younger, happy, optimistic women.
There are def pros and cons to both to be sure. I got to sex pretty fast with the older ones though since one was from my social circle and one was recently separated. Some dumb beta from tinder took her out for some fancy dinner and ordered her an Uber Black care to get back and forth. There was no 2nd date.
I almost forgot the most important point, financial expectations. Older women tend to be far, far more financially demanding. But that is exactly the opposite of reality. Young, smoking hot women will generally be impressed with and happy with modest gestures.
A small gift, short trip to a beach town, dinner a decent restaurant, lawn tickets to a concert with a picnic, etc. These things generally make a younger woman very happy with you. An older woman is very often more demanding, because she has grown accustomed to a higher standard of living, often financed by her ex-husband. She will very often expect dinner at not just a nice restaurant, but the best and trendiest.
You can thrill a younger woman with this on occasion and she will be ecstatic, but she will generally not expect or demand it. This is one of the many reasons I avoid women over However, in my experience at least, once you get into an ongoing relationship with an over, this gold-digging attitude tends to drop off sharpy.
Conversely, a 23 year-old gold-digger will remain a gold-digger throughout the entire relationship. This obsession some manosphere men have about how horrible it is that young women love their cell phones is odd to me.
Who cares? Is she hot? Is she low-drama? Who gives a shit if she worships her phone? Not worth it in my opinion.
An older man who's worthy of your time knows what he wants in a relationship.
The British day game dating coach Yad, covers this in the YT vide below. I think all the above are over-generalizations and apply solely to old men that deal with online game. Till my age 25 years old I have experienced none of these traits.
DATING OLDER MAN VS YOUNGER MEN!!!!!
True, though I would say 35 and over, not 30 and over. How many women under age 33 and under age 23 have you had in longer, consistent relationships? Only one short-term that was sex tiendakiteboarding.coms, as she was a single mother and quite flakey.
The rest were ONSs. Well, I have not had many longer, consistent relationships, as you can see from my sample, but I have experienced both sky-rocket ASD during the dating phase from under 33 women and near-zero ASD from older ones.
Dating older man vs younger man
This is why I say it is bullshit. Sample size is everything. We met at pubs or parties. These relationships were all about sex, which suited me - I realised early on that monogamy is not for me, though I never thought about it with the clarity that BD brings to the matter. However, almost all the women that I fuck now are my age roughly or younger. Indeed, in the past year I think from memory the oldest is Of course, I only have their say-so. Perhaps I should try to improve my game with women older than me anyway.
Not always but usually. This is despite the fact that everything else about them is not better and is probably crappier. When I was 20 I was the type of person that would literally turn every single head everywhere I went and could reliably count on being the most attractive woman in any venue.
As a result, I basically had no standards and got with some pretty big losers. I know lots of women who say the same. Nowadays it might be different because phones give men more courage about rejection so hot girls get hit on way more and therefore probably gain confidence more quickly.
I am certainly not as attractive in my late 30s as I was at 20, even though I am more in shape and the same weight and still think I turn heads. Yet I pull guys that are WAY higher quality now. I had no ability to talk to a stranger and certainly no abilty to make a stranger comfortable, at I could barely make eye contact. But yeah, other than that there is nothing about me that is better than when I was Conversationally I am not any more or less interesting to talk to between 20 and now, I was always interesting once I felt comfortable with someone, and always liked to talk about politics and science and economics and never about boring topics.
Nothing is better about me now except my social abilities and status. It is similar with guys. Older guys are pretty rigid and set in their ways. Simple social dominance is very important.
Young people often have better, fresher technical skills and energy and by all accounts they SHOULD be more valuable to an employer. Again, social dominance counts for a lot. This is true in the animal kingdom as well if you watch nature showsa young animal that tries to mate often fails many times before succeeding. For chimps, the older chimps, male and female, always dominate the younger with mating even though they are not as vibrant and healthy and fertile.
Same goes in business, though much later, thankfully. Instead the quality of man I have now is so vastly superior to some of the men I had when I was younger that it is actually embarrassing to compare. And yeah I exercise way more now than I did at 20, which was never, lol. It definitely requires way more effort to maintain the older you get. Anyway my response is too long but I agree with all your points here. Culture has a lot to do with it too.
But perhaps the biggest reason I like dating an older man is the way it makes me feel. No matter how wrinkled I get, I'll always be 13 years his junior. No matter how wrinkled I get, I'll always. Oct 01, A bonus: A younger man won't bore you with what an older guy might imagine is scintillating chat about his investments, his IRA funds, and his latest tax shelter. And finally, yes, there's the sex. Some women-and nearly every older man-scoff at the idea that when it comes to sex, youth beats experience. Well, it does. The childish issues that can sometimes plague a younger man are (hopefully!) far behind an older man, and they have often learned to overcome silly insecurities and grown into a content phase of their life. Unfortunately, like younger men, with the good must come the bad. Sometimes the world can be a harsh place for the older tiendakiteboarding.com: Caitlin O'hanlon.
Here in Southern California older women are painfully full of themselves and demanding, whereas younger women tend to be more open minded, less full of themselves and not nearly as demanding. Following the Alpha 2.
Getting a sizable audience for a blog is hard work apparently girls-with-game failed in that regard.
With some effort, the comments can even be unified. Blackdragon: While its remarkable that you base your conclusions on your own extensive field experience instead of just theories and especulation I wonder if your conclusions are representative of the whole population of the US or of the city where you live given that you get the majority of your dates come from online game so your sample includes mostly the women who use dating sites and answer your messages.
I know several and there is probably an statistic about this to back me up. If you want to have quick sex then you should avoid these women VYW but it helps that they are probably less likely that their more promiscous peers to use online dating.
I also think that in day game or night game, an older guy would save time by avoiding VYW as a large percentaje would reject him on the basis of his age alone.
With older young women his age will be less of an issue. What I know for fact is that a big advantage of online game and also night club game is that it helps filter out underage VYW. I know girls can lie when registering on a dating site or get fake IDs to get into clubs but its still better than nothing. However, I would read it regardless of its design if the content were as enlightening or at least entertaining as the majority of blog posts and comments on here, though.
They flake on each other all the time, especially the younger ones as you pointed out. Yes, my conclusions are certainly based on American women. As another posted correctly noted above, other countries may differ though not greatly.
No; women in other other US cities are not radicaly different; I have a lot of data from men all over the us over the last 10 years and all of it seems to mesh with what I said above in general at least. More detail on that here. These rare exception women are not in the dating pool online or daygame or whatever and thus are not relevant to this discussion.
My response rates with much younger women on normal dating sites are quite terrible. But I still get laid anyway; see below. I can go on a dating site right now and fill my calendar with dates with over women very easily and very fast, with virtually zero effort.
Or, I can go online, message younger women at much worse response rates, get less first dates, but have sex with most or in some cases, all of those women very fast, within 3 hours grand total and often much less than that. I choose the second option.
Much easier and and far more efficient, regardless of the lower response rates. Well, I am an older guy, so I can actually tell you how this actually works instead of speculating. Regarding Girls With Game, late last year it grew more difficult to get most of the writers to adhere to deadlines, and I got too busy to follow up with all of them.
A few months later I decided to perhaps shut the site down, when to my surprise, when I checked, the site was still getting regular traffic and we were still getting regular emails in from women in the audience who had lots of questions they really wanted answered. Clearly there is a niche audience of women who are very interested in this stuff.
Dating a younger man, woman, or anyone really-whether you're two or three years their senior or you're talking cougar territory-certainly can work, but being an "older woman" in a relationship does tend to come with certain perks and downfalls. If you want to make things work, be sure you can handle the following. May 17, "There were a lot of the 'boy toy' remarks, and I will say it mostly came from men my age - there's a threatening ct to a woman dating a younger man," she says. Longtime readers know that in general, I separate the "older" vs. "younger" at age As I've discussed many times here, when a woman crosses over age 33 (if not sooner), her ASD spikes into the stratosphere and her entire attitude about dating, men, and sex changes forever. Things that used to be enjoyable to her, like sex on the first or second date, or very casual sexual.
One last thing; as I already said in the comments when I first announced the site, I absolutely do not give a rat fuck what any man thinks about how the site looks. If the readership for the site grows, I will start taking polls and asking for feedback from the female readers and modify the site accordingly. If I were making money off Girls with Game I could probably make time to write more. All I can do is roll my eyes at all the old guys who inevitably talk trash on older women and go on and on about younger women in the comments.
Most younger women, even drop dead gorgeous ones- tend to end up with the losers. It takes most women time to learn how to weed them out. BD, a very good accurate article. You hit it on the head with the differences between young and older women. I am also around many VYW and young women, since my daughter in in that category, and noticed the traits that you mentioned for young women. The one category that you discussed that I find really distressing is the difference in the attitude about enjoyment of sex between young women and older women.
That is such a shame. I think older women do themselves a disservice by not allowing themselves or wanting to enjoy sex. It is a wonderful part of life that has many great qualities and could be a great fun part of their lives. It is great and healthy mentally and physically to have a good sex life.
I am usually more interested and attracted to older men because they have the qualities more often then younger men that I find attractive and important. However, I have met some younger men that also have those qualities. There are of course exceptions, with older and younger men, just like in women. I think the bottom line is just how you ended the article. My work schedule is very variable and utiendakiteboarding.comedictable.
Also, I have said too much stuff that would get me in trouble with pretty much everyone I know IRLfriends, family, work colleagues. Pissing people off and creating controversy is good for traffic but also increases the risk of someone trying to figure out who you are and out you. I mean, look at a couple photos of the female pop band Wilson Phillips circa All 3 of them look MUCH better 20 years later, even though they now have zero modern pop-culture relevance save nostalgia circuit perhaps.
That is such a true point. I remember seeing pictures of my grandmothers in their mid forties and they looked and dressed old. I remember being shocked at how young they really were in the pictures. Women today have many ways to take care of themselves and have technology as well to help them look and feel young that women did not have years ago.
Technology will continue to advance with time to allow people to look and feel younger well into their much later adult years. People always think I am years younger than my boyfriend when they meet us but we are the same age. Because of all the ways to make yourself look better, I actually have a problem now where people, especially younger people, assume that I am younger than I am and then get weirded out when they find out how old I actually am.
I always try to throw in a reference to my age right away because of that. Of course, guys can take advantage of that stuff too, when they care to. Gay guys who make the effort all look years younger than they used to as well. People are definitely not getting genetically better looking, kids are just as funny looking as always.
But the technology and options to make yourself appear better create a totally different situation. Just making hair dye and makeup available was a huge difference, but once you get into plastic surgery, forget it.
Perhaps when you try to excalate to sex, and she is resistant, instead of nexting; could you question her. Older women are more experienced and wish to weed out casual men - they do not want to be a FB.
They may have higher standards similar to aboveand wish to evaluate you quite a bit before jumping in. Multiply 5 dates with zero sex times every woman you try to have sex with, and have fun going on perhaps hundreds of dates with no sex throughout your lifetime. No, even five dates that cost me zero dollars and I have an issue. Is this some kind of a sarcastic piece of nonsense you pulled from Jezebel or some worthless feminist site?
Give me one good reason to put up with a woman like that when the one next to her will fuck me now! The act of resistance is a turn off. After having wild sex with multiple women on the first date, there is nothing some old prude can possibly say that could make my dick hard again.
So I have to next her. Whether I do it before or after her explanation is irrelevant. The point is that her resisting sex is such a turn off to me that there is nothing she can do or say to compensate for it! Why not? Did she trip and fall on my dick? Check your SJW. ASD is when a woman is very attracted to you but declares war on her own desires due to mainstream brainwashing that sex is bad, or that sex this soon is bad. I assure you, sir, ASD is very, very real.
This is a major problem and an instant deal breaker. Everyone you have sex with starts out at the fuck buddy level, without exception.
Pro's and Con's: Older Women vs. Younger Women
Ah, but wait, that means she wants a monogamous boyfriend before first time sex! So no! Nexting her is the only choice! Her entire way of thinking tells me she has zero place in my life. I have extremely high standards for a girlfriend. Would you shop at a store with high prices when a store right next to it has lower prices for identical or higher quality?
If so, why? Also, do you know how the free market which includes the sex market works? In fact, sex is the best way to get to know someone quicker. They are usually financial stable, and better yet, emotionally stable. The childish issues that can sometimes plague a younger man are hopefully! Unfortunately, like younger men, with the good must come the bad. Sometimes the world can be a harsh place for the older man. Exposed to many more years of living and sometimes very different life experiences, older men can sometimes be jaded by certain things that you may not completely understand just yet careers, relationships, etc.
Contrary to all of this, however, you will still always be his hot younger woman. And we guarantee he will remind you of that every single chance he gets. The Verdict: When it all comes down to it, there is no clear winner in the younger man vs. There will be exceptions to every rule and some younger men will go against everything we have said here and the same goes for some older men. And here at 29Secrets. Should You? Most of us over 50 have lived and experienced life, some more than others - i.
Does she really want me or my money, house, etc.
I appreciate if a woman lets me know she is interested in me, IF she is truly interested in ME, not my money or possessions. A very simple thing to remember. Make your intentions known. If you put on an act and do some of the things she says in the video - for e. Smile if you are happy, fake smiling is irritating to say the least.